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February 02, 2009

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Crystal

Okay here goes-

1. I found the passages where the father and son huddled together under a tarp sad, but real. I could imagine holding my child trying to keep them alive and that holding him could be the only thing that I could find comfort in.

The eating others totally grossed me out and I would not want to live in a world that had come to that. I would constantly worry that someone would eat my child or worse, what they would do to him before they ate him. The baby that was being cooked makes me sick to my stomach and I try not to think of it, but I do...

2. I am with Anne. What is godspoke man? I notice 'god' is not capitalized. Does that mean anything? I would take it that no good men were left. No one who followed God, only those who followed survival. And at that point, where people are trapping and eating each other, how many people still would keep faith with a God that had let the world come to that?

3. Yes. I also thought that the fire meant goodness and decency. I really had a hard time with the Father leaving his child to fend on his own... So many monsters out there.

4. Oh yes. How horrible is that? I think when the day is done, we are animals all trying to survive. It is not a question of what would everybody do, but what would you do? I have no idea. I can't see myself eating children. I would want to die first and I most likley would, by killing myself. I was begining to lose all hope by the time they got to the beach.

5. I thought the boy was so compassionate because he was still a little boy and his Father had not taught him to be a monster. Had the Father been one of the bad guys I think the boy would have followed suit.

6. I took the old man saying there was no God and we are all his prophets to mean that the behavior of the people left on Earth proved there was no God. The evilness of the survivors stood in the face of a good and caring God so it must stand to reason that there was none...

I never thought that the boy was a savior. I'll have to think about that aspect now.

7. Gah. I was so upset by the end of the book because of all the horrible people out there willing to do horrible things. I thought that the boy and Father were lucky. Very very lucky and at that point there was no goodness except for the Father and his son. Then the shotgun guy came to get the boy and I thought, hmm, someone else who is good. I still thought of the shotgum man finding the boy as luck, not as fate though.

8. I was a bit surprised that the book ended as it did. The trout thing mystified me. Still does. I was left wondering what happened to the boy? The world? I do agree with Anne that it was a fitting end.

This book was a very hard read for me. Not so much the actual reading it, but the pondering it later. Am I glad I read it? I don't know. I am still disturbed by the story.

cloudcover

I still think this work is a representation of religion, most notably the Father(the man), the Son(the boy), and the Holy Ghost (or Mary; the absent mother). Once I picked up on this idea the rest of the book seemed to make more sense as this is the world, spiritually or physically, as to how the man (God) sees it before the arrival of the son (Christ).

1. Even though the landscape is described as from an almost a third-person standpoint, I still got the feeling this is the world as the man sees it and even tries to force his son to see it(the binoculars).
The house with the people locked in the basement did get to me, but why didn't the man try to save them? That is what bothers me the most. Is this what the "good guys" do? Also, the boy is unsure and feels uneasy. I think it is at this point that the boy understands true evil and no, he doesn't want to see it either.
The cannibalism is metaphor for how the man views other people. They gut each other and devour everything: the baby- innocence, the basement people-the masses, so on so forth.

2. I have no idea what he meant by "godspoke" men either but I am inclined to agree with Crystal's question; who would keep faith? The religous just keeps coming with this one.
And I ask this question: does it really matter how the world ended? The ash suggest burning, while the lack of anything new growing suggest something has changed with the soil. I prefer it to remain ambiguous. It does keep with the man's demeanor throughout the work though. It could be the man's own soul that he sees in the barren wasteland or how he feels about it.
How bad would God feel if nobody believed in Him anymore?

3.I do believe the "fire" is what is good and decent in the world. I think this is were God gives his only son to the world. He also leaves him with a choice, the pistol still has one bullet left in it and he is told not to ever give that to anyone. Why? Would that be the end of the world?

4.Survival is the only reason we are here. Would I resort to that type of activity? I hope I never have to make that choice. As for other people, I hope it never comes to that.

That is all I can post right now. I hope to be able to post more soon.

Anne

Wow, great comments. There are so many messages within this book and I think cloudcover is right; there is a religious tone here.

I don't know why the man didn't save the people in the basement - it bothered me too. Maybe he was so shocked and scared that he just ran.

I'm going to try an look up "godspoke men"

More later...

cloudcover

anything yet on "godspoke men?" Could it mean preachers and the like?

cloudcover

5. I still think they are like the "bad guys" in that they are trying to survive it all and almost willing to do anything to survive the horrid landscape. What is the metaphorical difference between murder and cannabilism? What are the cannibles really eating? With the baby it's the innocence. What is the father trying to protect but is destroying within the boy? The basement people is a pefect example of this. The father is searching for anything that will help them and the boy just feels wrong about the whole thing. The father does not mean too but he forces his son to see this and thereby the boy loses part of his innocence.


More later, hopefully.

cloudcover

6.I think Ely plays a much bigger role than cementing that this is a novel about religion. Why is he blind, what does that mean about what he "sees," says, and does? Plus, how the hell can a blind man survive the roving bands of cannables(however you spell it), literally? So, how does he survive spiritually? when and why did he lose faith? Also, is he thankfull he is still alive and not eaten or is he mad at having to endure this hell on earth longer?

More rellgion, more religion, more religion. Also, like the absent mother, he doesn't tell the father really anything, just reflects more of what has been troubling the father. How can the boy survive this blasted landscape? Well, a blind man did it. Could this represent a change in the Holy Spirit, the man or the people?

7.I agree with Anne, both are there and both found the boy.
neither are triumphant and neither are defeated.

8.I agree with Anne as well, it was a fitting ending to the book which came before it. I don't know if this helps or not but, another name for a mountain trout is a rainbow trout. It could just represent that all things are beautiful in the end and they are mysterious and wonderful underneath that destroyed landscape. Just straight-up juxtopistion(i mis my spel-checkers,it makes me sound more intelligint).

Also the boy eventually gives up the pistol, if the pistol represents potential end of the world, what does that say about his new life and who does he give it to?


In case, I have not made myself clear about how I feel religion factors into this novel, I think it is the novel. When the man dies is when he gives his son over to the material world and lets them, the son and people, choose what to do from that point onward.

Anyway, sorry it took me so long to post the rest of my comments about this book. school just got in the way. i am interested in what everyone thinks about that new deminsion about the novel. I have not studied the Bible enough to know if there is more parallels between the two. I really enjoyed the book though and have been trying to get others to read as well.

  taller 4 idiots

The house with the people locked in the basement did get to me, but why didn't the man try to save them? That is what bothers me the most. Is this what the "good guys" do? Also, the boy is unsure and feels uneasy. I think it is at this point that the boy understands true evil and no, he doesn't want to see it either.

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